they are not spinning for like a carl rove on fox. they have contempt for those people saying every day that every focus group liked the republican ad better than the democratic ad. they know it's nonsense. they were concerned about the bad ratings the convention was getting. i learned more about the republicans and harsher criticisms from the conservative media than i would from a lot of the liberal press. >> i feel like we saw this insurgency when the tea party movement became a generator of right wing primary challengers to republican candidates. the republican party just shifted to incorporate the right wing protest movement. so you have jesse benton who was rand paul's campaign manager against the successor for the senate seat in kentucky. now mitch mcconnell is bringing benton on board. they brought them all on board. that seems to not be happening in the common tear yat. so aren't people like the folks at fox news risking the situation in which they are seen as the establishment and they lose all of the energy on their own side